“On The Table” – Scenario #7, ‘Classes on the Bus’

“I am one of many who believes that it is time for the state-mandated consolidation of school districts to be dissolved.

My reasons are many, the school bus that went by my home at 6 this morning being only one of them. If kids are going to spend much of their school day just getting there and back, conduct some classes on the bus.”

~the humble farmer

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“….thousands of Maine people can now tell you that busing kids 20 miles to school “to save money” has nothing to do with improving education…”

~the humble farmer

…or “saving money”.  (The research shows this scheme would cost MORE!)  Oh, and it would be quite a bit more than 20 miles, factoring in the distance from where children actually live, and not simply the schools themselves.  Of course, many of us commute further than that, but how long would it take you to pick up, say, 30 of your closest friends, some out-of-the-way, before hitting the road?

I don’t know why people are more willing to bus middle and high-school aged children out of town as if they do not need their communities every bit as much as their younger brothers and sisters.

The administration has long been determined to get, at the very least, all the district’s high school students under one roof, apparently, regardless of the cost.  …and regardless of the research that shows no cost-benefit for taxpayers; costs will surely increase; and the downright detrimental effect of distance on kids and  families.  The Board has been trying to show communities that it is impossible to educate kids in small schools (while research evidence and small thriving schools are actually showing us that it is impossible only for THEIR skill sets – perhaps we need others). Where will we find the money to duplicate bus routes to accommodate the wildly differing destinations of children ‘standing at the end of the same driveway? What will these extra transportation costs give taxpayers in terms of return on their dollars?  As the research shows that costs go up, and achievement goes down with distance — cue the expensive intervention programs…  (sigh)

There are no savings from buildings, as they all remain open — but transportation will surely grow.  What about kids?  Kathreen Harrison has speaks directly to policymakers on the creation of stand-alone middle schools:

“…Student achievement at the eighth grade level in higher poverty schools is better statewide in K – 8 schools than in middle schools. This is particularly true of K – 8 schools with a sizable percentage of teachers holding master’s degrees.

The data about K – 8 schools should impact school board discussions about merging, closing, and consolidating schools. Before school boards move to close any community schools they should be prepared to explain to their stakeholders why student achievement in the case of their particular schools will not suffer….”

~As School Budgeting Season Heats Up Remember The Crucial Middle School Years by Kathreen Harrison

Explaining anything to stakeholders is an area in which our Board has, sadly, fallen short in the past; recognizing their accountability to community stakeholders has been a challenge.  “I don’t work for you, I work for the State!” ~Chairman Greg Ryan

What?  Let’s try and build a better, more healthy relationship between the Board and the Communities to whom they are accountable; over whom they have no authority.

Back to the experts:  Rethinking Education is an excellent resource for Board members, communities… If you want to go now, please do!  Her work is well worth your time.

The FTF Analysis lists benefits, in the Committee’s view:  “..middle and high school c0-curricular offerings MIGHT experience expansion and diversification…”  The emphasis on “might” is my own, and highlights the far-fetched nature of this claim, given the cost increases and distance between middle and high schools.  For instance, our oldest has played in H.S. band since Grade 6 — the sort of “diversification” of ages would be eliminated here, as well as collaboration.

“Staff MAY benefit from mergers of tiny departments..”  Again, “may” means “would not”.  “greater internal professional collaboration opportunities”: “curriculum would be easier to coordinate and align”?  Is it really necessary to professionals to gather physically under one roof every day to “collaborate”?  …to align curriculum? … in the age of Skype?  (or the telephone, for that matter).  The communities have little interest in hiring a curriculum coordinator, and are less concerned with bureaucratic “convenience”.

“Athletic teams may become more competitive and the school may elevate to Class C status”  It would also make landing a spot on the team “more competitive” so it comes down to values.  Do you value maximizing opportunity for kids? …or “class C status”?  These are not letter grades, and class D is actually superior in maximizing participation opportunity.  As for the competitiveness of the team as a whole, our communities are proud as gold braid of our fine young people, and have no desire to see any one of them bumped from their opportunity to play.

The FTF is on the right track, when it determines that Scenario #7 “offers little potential for fiscal savings”  ….if by “little” they mean “none”.   ..and mentions the bussing complications.  The potential for fiscal waste on bussing and more bureaucrats is virtually limitless.

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80 responses to ““On The Table” – Scenario #7, ‘Classes on the Bus’

  1. I am so disgusted at the lack of transparency. All this has nothing to do with education. Instead of the Superintendent and board looking at how can we make education better, they look at taking schools out of our community. We ran cheaper and more efficiently before we formed the RSU. Let’s go back to MSAD 25 and SACHS as a CSD. They have created an atmosphere of distrust. I for one would love to know why they are so gung-ho to get the High School kids under one roof. The cost of bussing alone will be through the roof. So we get to play Class C in sports, what at the expense of kids who would have played in D but now don’t want to play. I don’t believe for one minute that they will have a better course offering if we have a bigger school. I believe we could have it now but for some reason they don’t seem to push kids to take the more challenging AP courses. Stop drinking the Marzano kool aide and teach. One huge problem is that there are too many fads in public education. Sorry about my rambling, but I am so irritated with all the bureaucrats who are ruining our school. Some would say oh your negative, I would say I feel passionately that my kids and others deserve a better education. I don’t agree with the notion that we can’t offer a variety of courses just because we are small. I say why can’t we. Instead of taking 50 million meetings just get it done. Think out side the box Mr. Malone. Stop wasting our money on foolish things and giving excuses for why we can’t do certain things. If you care about kids, make cuts where they need to be, starting with your salary.

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    • “I feel passionately that my kids and others deserve a better education….” You sum up beautifully what Timbered Classrooms is about, and there is nothing negative about it. What is destructively “negative” is the underlying attitude of our administration that our schools are inferior due to their size. …an attitude that, I might add, has been soundly discredited by research.

      “I don’t believe for one minute that they will have a better course offering if we have a bigger school. I believe we could have it now…” Researchers confirm that you are right! Even the smallest schools (100-200 students) are able to offer core curricula comparable to schools of more than 1,200.

      You make an excellent point about being gung ho to combine high schools. Since you brought it up…. As soon as the Superintendent landed, he started proclaiming that “you need one high school!” Those who hired him wanted that as well, but that raises another issue: Why didn’t those elements on the SACS board closed their own school and sent kids to Houlton long before? If they think is such a splendid idea. The distance is shorter than what they are demanding of Katahdin kids. From the get-go, the Superintendent cited repairs to SACS neglected since 1991, and the roof on that end is by far the most expensive. Now Katahdin communities are supposed to liquidate their own assets and invest in SACS? There are ethical issues here, certainly…. Of course, there is a LOT of dissatisfaction with the RSU model on the SACS side too. They are good people who have no interest in pursuing this scheme.

      Spot on about everything really. So, what are you doing in the comments section, rather than on the author roll?

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  2. Lol. I have been on the author roll Lisa. Spot on about the building. I find it reprehensible to let buildings go that should haven taken care of all along. What a waste! Then talk about a new school, what are they nuts?! Maybe they would like to fund it out of their own pocketbooks. Yeah right!
    I just get tired of the powers that be trying to sell something to the kids, parents, community that is not viable at all. Saying we have a great education at KMHS is a lie, however it could be great if they wanted it to be. They must think we are all stupid. I have news for them we aren’t, and nobody likes the BS that is being served.

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    • To be honest, I’m not sure how serious the Board is about a new school, but they probably think it’s easier to sell people on one new school in the middle; from a standpoint of fairness, BOTH ends give up existing infrastructure and ride the bus longer…. Easier than, “Give up YOUR assets and invest in OURS.. YOUR children and taxpayers take the hit, to pay for the most expensive roof in the district and repairs neglected since 1991.”

      If Mr. Ryan and others think it is such a wonderful thing to bus kids then Houlton is closer to SACS than Katahdin. He and others can jolly well shutter their own building and bus their own children away. The reasons they don’t are likely the same as our own for fighting back against divestment. That is where we ar alike. We all want better for our children, taxpayers and communities. Where we differ is that I believe everyone is worthy of it, and heed the research that shows no efficiency; no benefit to combining. The distance is too great.

      They want to hurry up and close Katahdin before the debate; before the fight because they want to avoid it altogether. I think they would lose.

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  3. What was the last quote on roof,,,, not reported leaking.. What is the year sal. for guidance not known? What is the year sal, of prince able,,, not known? The buses carrying one child,not know? What is the discount on the government food they got,,,not known? I might ad,, 16 other states have refused this SLOP. We are not alone,,, they took the money away from the medway superintendent.. People have had enough………Teach our kids,, honor the kids with good grades,, take standard grading and shove it..Take your long,long,long meetings and shove it..Get rid of GREG RYAN!!!!! When a superintendent goes to the town,,and demands to speak to the selectmen, this man is out of control,,,, and running ..SCARED.He is next,,, the ax will fall..

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    • The message is always the same, about what our children deserve – even as their inferior, mediocrity costs MORE.

      I have noticed a tendency on the part of the Superintendent and Board, to make demands where they have no authority; to throw their (imaginary!) weight around…. It works often enough because it is human nature to acquiesce to authoritarian postures… …or so I’m told. I will never understand that. My own nature is very different. Anyway, I’ve been told countless times, “I would like to write a letter to the editor, but I am not allowed because of my Board member, employment or some other status…” I checked. They have no right to suspend people’s expression. The Supreme Court ruled on this several decades ago. Board members write the paper all the time.
      Apparently, they demanded teachers cut last year not to tell anyone! Again, no right at all…. He has no standing to order Selectmen around, certainly.

      The Maine School Management Association instructs a certain deference to the Superintendent in its handbook, which troubles me. There is no basis in the law, certainly, and when the Superintendent is the problem….

      That’s the problem with the RSU. Greg Ryan is spending YOUR money foolishly, yet you can’t vote him out. There is quite a bit of unrest with the RSU among people who can though.

      You can regain control of you money and children before the withdrawal process is complete, and I hope all of you will. Some on the Board want to stand up to the Superintendent but are waiting to be able to point to the public and say, “See? I have no choice.”

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  4. That is right JT, say the words nobody wants to. God dam fraud. What you always say,smoke and mirrors. Now that was a hit from a good old double barrel. Get them JT.

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  5. This is one more thing that really grabs me.. NO KID LEFT BEHIND.
    WHAT, WHAT. Standard grading, every child in this program, is left behind..

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  6. You need to move forward with your beliefs, JT. Meaning go for it. You have every body thoughts, get on the board.

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    • It will take everyone pulling together to regain control of Katahdin’s resources and children.

      No one is more important to the effort than the people themselves – no one more important than you:)

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  7. Yes,all of this is being thought of by people who really are seeing the waste. New school, ya right. Waste the schools we have now, ya right. Not giving teachers contracts, ya right. Fire and hire who he wants, ya right. Obama care is full speed ahead, cancel insurance and go to obama care, ya right. Do not recognize the kids for being her or him, ya right. Giving all to our kids, ya right. This is his thinking, YA RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  8. VOTE NO THE 29th, that is how he rolls.

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    • ….and, at the meeting on the 29th, be sure to make yourself abundantly clear WHY you are voting “No”

      I have to say I was disheartened by the angle of the Houlton Pioneer this week. She reported on Larry’s perspective; how much he cut, and made it sound like it was the people who were being unreasonable. The reporter did not try and find out why people voted it down. Priorities matter, and Larry’s are reprehensible.

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  9. Yes, just say no

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    • I doubt anyone will have the presence of mind to ask, “What will it take to pass this budget?” ..but, please, tell them anyway.

      It’s the priorities; cutting kids while bloating administration, management, Marzano and Pearson garbage etc.

      Otherwise, they will continue to cut where you do not want them to, and shielding what you want gone.

      Oh, and PLEASE tell the press too! They missed every word from the participants last time:(

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  10. You guys do no, that if this one does not pass, the first one goes in effect. Well how do you feel now

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    • I’m not sure what you are getting at, here, but people have made themselves very clear how they “feel” about the budget priorities of this Board. Yes, I said Board, because the buck stops with them.

      The people, though, will have the final say, and section 1487 of the statute does not change that.

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  11. How does this process work? Inform us, please, as the public needs to know if we are to be supportive or otherwise. We have a say and a vote on this and should be informed.

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    • §1487. Failure to pass budget

      If a budget for the operation of a regional school unit is not approved prior to July 1st, the latest budget approved at a regional school unit budget meeting and submitted to the voters for validation at a referendum in accordance with section 1486 is automatically considered the budget for operational expenses for the ensuing year until a final budget is approved, except that, when the regional school unit board delays the regional school unit budget meeting, the operating budget must be approved within 30 days of the date the commissioner notifies the regional school unit board of the amount allocated to the regional school unit under section 15689-B, or the latest budget submitted by the regional school unit board becomes the operating budget for the next school year until a budget is approved at a regional school unit budget meeting and validated at a referendum. If the budget of a regional school unit is not approved and validated before July 1st and the officers of any affected municipality determine that the property taxes must be committed in a timely manner to the collector pursuant to Title 36, section 709, the municipal assessor or assessors may commit the property taxes on the basis of the latest budget approved at a regional school unit budget meeting and submitted to the voters for validation at a referendum in accordance with section 1486. [2007, c. 668, §21 (AMD).]

      http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/20-a/title20-Asec1487.html

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      • The meeting on the 29th is YOUR chance to shape a budget that WILL pass; one that upholds your values.

        Please don’t give up, or wait for the ballot box.

        The people will have the last word.

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  12. Hey pk, shit disturber, NO means NO. Good try, get ready for the 29th and the 8th. NO,NO,NO. Have a great day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • I would really like to know what p.k.’s angle is – an open debate would be interesting.

      Anyway, when the likes of p.k. try to scare people into submission, it means you’re doing something right.

      Don’t blink….

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  13. You are right lisa, the people are doing right. PK is running scared.
    He is not the only one either. Have a great day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  14. I heard there is a big surprise cooking for them idiots on the 29th. It is going to blow them away. Mr. Tapley would you like to share.

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  15. All i can tell you, is i back sherman all the way. I will be there, and they will hear us. They will not believe or be prepared for this night. Now they will squirm. And i can say, it will be JUSTIFIED. Finally a factor that can not be ignored.No meetings, no set down and shut-up. No the ball is in our court, no greg ryan, making his big no sense speeches. You do not have to spend all your time listening to this man. They will hear us and there not going to like it. MAKE A MOTION AND SECOND IT.

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  16. Call them out and suppress there stand on there beliefs.

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  17. concernedparentalso

    Blow there hole agenda to hell

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  18. Lets help, call people, face book people, text people, lets do this.

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  19. Listen guys and gals, we all are in this. If you pay taxes, if they receive money for your children, if this is raising your property taxes above what you think you need to pay, this is what WE need to do.This is NOT one of them boring you can not speak meetings. That takes 6 meetings to discuss, this is the ONE. Come to this, pack this place, speak your mind, tell them about your taxes. Tell them that this is no longer going to be excepted. SPEAK be heard, let them and everybody no. { and listen for the motion ] Tie there hands, make it hard to screw with our teachers and kids. Local contractors, put the money back in the system. Do not let him hire some down south jerk, to drive up here and say,,,,,,you have a leak..
    For $50,000 He is a big spender, Remember what greg ryan said on the vote for larrys raise,,THERE PISSED ANYWAYS SO FU– THEM. Now its all of us, to tell them NO.

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  20. Well there you go, a direct hit. Make the calls, get pissed, it does not hurt. This is a NEW DAY, i like it.

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  21. i guess this the time. well i guess we will be there.

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  22. ya it is time

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  23. Mr. Tapley go for it

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  24. Lets watch and vote no

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  25. No more out of control spending. VOTE NO

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    • They’ve taken so much from kids already to spend on bureaucracy, discredited Pearson Common Core curricula, consultant after consultant, so-called “research-based” teacher effectiveness programs that are NOT peer-reviewed, standardized tests….. sigh….

      Get rid of the “fluff” and focus precious resources on the kids.

      The 29th offers by far the best opportunity for you; like-minded members of the community (or “not-so-silent majority!) to do so.

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  26. You guys have to get involved, go to sherman town office and tell her you will be there to support, and second the motion. This is a big chance to stop this non sense. Lets go.

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    • Yes – and you can obtain hard copies of this idea at the Sherman Town Office as well.

      There will never be a better opportunity to “steer the ship” to turn a phrase from a recent reader comment…

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  27. 28th at 6:30pm town office,, please be there……..[ for the kids ]

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  28. We have the chance, come to the town office, 28th, 6:30, lets do this, we need YOU.

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  29. Well, are YOU there or what???? Lets do this.

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    • And please, invite your friends – you CAN do this.

      “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”

      ― Margaret Mead

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  30. YES, invite all, talk, call, face-book, blog, anything,get the word out.

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  31. TONIGHT, IS THE NIGHT, TO MAKE IT ALL RIGHT.

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  32. YES, VOTE, YOU are all doing great. WE as a hole have spoken.
    Now lets back it up.

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  33. Yes, they heard us loud and clear.

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  34. I am in the process of petitioning the board for the resignation of Mr. Malone and Mrs. Smitt. This standard grading was not supposed to be in place until 2020. It was supposed to be a TRAIL, not a complete yearly grading. Do to the high end children that really take there grading serious. This was a complete let down for them and there parents. No warning, No debate with the parents. She took this on her own, w/ malone blessing. This is CRUEL and unsaleable treatment to the KIDS, and PARENTS. This clearly shows it is not about kids, its about a brand new grant, at the cost of the kids.

          NOW THAT IS A BIG PRICE TAG.
    

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    • I am confused by this… Mrs. Schmidt claimed that Katahdin is a “pilot school” yet I am unable to verify that. Katahdin does not appear on the State website describing the pilot school program? Too early to judge, but we need to know…. Good luck!

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  35. Theirs allot people does not no, 9 million verses 11 million, in the budget. the talk was great but the action sucked for allot of people. What did they think, pick and choose. Learned allot about what is REALLY happening that night. Seen it with my own eyes. 3 schools,
    700 kids, 11 million wont be enough. If anybody gets in a jam in there job, will not be cuts, it will be TARGETING.[ PERIOD]. I will not stop, you people can, right is right, wrong is wrong no matter how you spin it. Research, good, Spin it to your liking, good. I will NOT back off.

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  36. its best i do not come on this site any more, because of the drama that i am hearing, have a good one, you guys have done it, now follow it.

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  37. Mr t what going on is, ill ask tomorrow.

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  38. ya we just got back, what is she talking about. what is going on.

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  39. Well i was there, i seen what mr t saw.some of the people here, well kind of disappeared when the shit got deep. just like when he spoke up at the other meeting.

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  40. pressure, it is the spokesmen.this is what is sad, talk big, and sell out. no wonder people does not listen. run, run, run.

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  41. hey mr t , what about a barque once a week. you dont need this.
    we have talked about it. we are going to do this, if it does not on the 7th, take it down to 2001 budget, make your choice.

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  42. ISLANDFALLS RD

    i want to no why there is a prob. went to far, for some. to bad, you can not have it both ways. so sorry.

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  43. concernedparentalso

    ya, it is sad, you do not speak w/ big words, just common sense , and some of the people can not take it.

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  44. yes just like the school board did to the lane women, have a meeting with out her, and call it a barque. they said is was wrong, it was done, and there is nothing any body can do.

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  45. lets form a meeting and talk about it, we will call it the flast force.
    get real.

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  46. People rallied together last Tuesday night to vote as citizens have the right to do. Now we have to support that on Thursday at the polls. Yes, it was a significant amount of money cut from the budget. People cannot be afraid and back down because of this. Common sense tells us there are ways to cut other than positions and direct impacts to our kid’s education. This common sense may not be what governs the decisions. There are probably many parts of this process that the average person does not understand, but there is also a lot about it that we DO understand. We do need to meet and discuss – this is how we got to Tuesday’s turnout and support. I can only speak for the Town of Sherman citizens but we have talked of having a meeting with our board reps, – Phil Knowles and Marie McNally soon to discuss budget issues. I guess we will wait to see what happens Thursday and go from there.

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    • Our readers include professional educators, active and retired. There is a lot they do understand. ..perhaps more than the Board at times, that unceasingly fails to recognize not only the vision of the community, but the very relevance of those aspirations.

      However the vote turns out, I hope people won’t back down. I hope they will continue to advocate for child-centered budget priorities.

      The democratic process extends beyond the ballot.

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  47. you guys look real good at what they have done to one of your voices, you people might be next. vote no

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    • Who is “they” and what have “they” done to whom? I have no idea what you are talking about, and, I suspect, neither do you.

      Look. I have been told to “shut up”, scolded for my “tone” and warned that our son would be punished for my advocacy – by people who had no standing or authority to do so, but whose faces and names I knew.

      Directives have been issued not to “even look at” this website (which is, actually, a valuable resource) by an an administration that demands more control over information than that to which it is entitled.

      (I don’t know what is more pathetic – telling grown men and women not to read, or grown men and women who would submit to such a thing?)

      Your vague and feeble threats may understandably frighten those whose livelihoods are on the line, and thankfully for them, you do not get to go into the voting booth with them. I can’t vote anyway, as a tuition resident… But in the wider scope of my advocacy for children and taxpayers? You don’t scare me.

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    • So how is disposing of a dedicated and beloved coach? …and all of the cherished relationships she has forged with her young players supposed to help kids? What kind of person; Board member entrusted with our children’s education no less, would support such a cruel, vindictive, and, for your information ILLEGAL move, let alone wallow in vile smugness about it?

      The authority you throw at the public; at the community to whom you are accountable – is entirely imaginary, and the threats you level against employee voters wildly inappropriate

      They can have the last word, if they so choose, and you avoid a reckoning at their pleasure.

      You are a disgrace, unworthy of your office.

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      • I’ve been called a “bully” for the very existence of this website that was intended to serve the Board, with what it needs to hear, not what it wants to hear.

        I’ve kept it civil… But sometimes there are no words other than coarse ones…..

        Children have been hurt; teachers too. Stop it. Stop threatening voters and start listening to them. Dispense with the vitriol, and give the communities the respect, and yes, the deference they deserve.

        You don’t win the kind if trust you want by demanding it, but by proving yourself worthy if it.

        Sadly, you have gone so far in proving that you cannot be trusted as good stewards of their money, or their children – threatening to cut them first! They want to give money to kids; not to your priorities.

        How do they do that? Simple. Create and empower separate school committees bring the decision makers closer to kids and taxpayers.

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  48. p.k. This is so morally wrong and illegal!!! Where are the morals? Where is the professionalism? Isn’t that what we are paying high administrative salaries for – professionalism??? Certainly we want professionals with high moral standards leading our kids and our school community????? Administration will not hold up under this demoralizing system when they are exposed for the targeting they are doing to those that have the right to speak out. And the threatening….”you may be next.” Wow! This does not happen in small community, rural America, …………..does it?????????

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  49. This is sad, to turn down a relief for people, so kids can kick a ball. The cuts were not even close to sports, but that’s the first thing they did, NO SOCCER. This proves people, they do not care about the kids.
    IT IS MONEY. Give me 11 million dollars, there will be sports, they will be good education, there will be no firing, If you people can not see this,,,,,,,, SOMETHING IS WRONG. The sign in the town office says no persuading votes, why is it right for mrs. smitt to call all them people. Wake up and smell the fraud. NO TARGETING, ASK THE OLD SOCCER COACH.

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  50. Reblogged this on Timbered Classrooms… and commented:

    Scenario #7, on the table for the Board’s consideration, is consolidating all middle school students in the district into the Katahdin High School Building and all High School students in the district at Southern Aroostook; leaving elementary grades in place.

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